Titan vs HD SC F150

[The_Homewrecker]

Hey,

After getting some food, I hop on the freeway and see a HD F150 SC come up. Pretty loud exhaust, HIDs, 22s. He speeds past me, so I hit it. I get next to me, and play with the throttle a bit. I get him to go. I jumped him half a length, then let off, so he could catch up and then floored it again when he was even with me. I had him by half a length, until 105 then let off. Race started at 60 MPH. After 105 he started to pass me slowly.

My brother and I have researched those things like no other before and both decided he had upgraded boost (most likely 10 PSI), intake,exhaust, and a tune. Anything else he would have smoked me. Good race considering my tune is still messed up with the AFR dipping into the 11s still.

Headers made a difference. I love them, and it makes the truck sound so good. Now I need my 07 Manifold on and maybe it would have been tied after 105 with us two.

[shailey]

Sweet!

[Penguin]

You sure it wasn't bone stock? Many of the HD trucks were not supercharged at all. The ones that were (02, 03, 04 I think) are essentially Extended and Crew Cab Lightnings. Most run high 13s or low 14s bone stock (even the crew cabs).

I know a guy around me with a 10-second HD. (Yes, it's an honest 10-second truck).

If it were a S/C HD, he wouldn't have had to try very hard to lose you with your mod list, so my guess is that it was a naturally aspirated HD (maybe a 99-01). Even with stock 8psi, these trucks FLY from a 60mph roll. Also, there's no 2lb pulley upgrade, so if he was modded, he'd be at 12, 14, or 16 lbs and you would have seen tailights diappearing in the distance.

I'm not trying to hurt your ego or anything, just letting you know the deal on the HDs that are boosted from the factory.

[ThirdHorseman]

Was it the 2004 and above HD F150? Or the 97-2003/2004 body style?

[The_Homewrecker]

Originally Posted by ThirdHorseman

Was it the 2004 and above HD F150? Or the 97-2003/2004 body style?

It was the 97-03/04 style.

Originally Posted by Penguin

You sure it wasn't bone stock? Many of the HD trucks were not supercharged at all. The ones that were (02, 03, 04 I think) are essentially Extended and Crew Cab Lightnings. Most run high 13s or low 14s bone stock (even the crew cabs).

I know a guy around me with a 10-second HD. (Yes, it's an honest 10-second truck).

If it were a S/C HD, he wouldn't have had to try very hard to lose you with your mod list, so my guess is that it was a naturally aspirated HD (maybe a 99-01). Even with stock 8psi, these trucks FLY from a 60mph roll. Also, there's no 2lb pulley upgrade, so if he was modded, he'd be at 12, 14, or 16 lbs and you would have seen tailights diappearing in the distance.

I'm not trying to hurt your ego or anything, just letting you know the deal on the HDs that are boosted from the factory.

Where have you gotten this information from? I went onto the NHTA (I think that's the site), and did lots of information on these trucks because I was going to get one. Ask Shailey, I even asked him a few questions. IIRC, they do have one and it bumps them to 10 PSI. Yes, it was supercharged because it had a distinct wine. I know what a charger sounds like too cause my brother's 06 lifted F150 has a Powerworks SC on it.

I'm not sure where you got the low 14/high 13 stats from, but on those forums they all said high 14s/low 15s. NA one were in the 16s stock. If he would have had anything more than 10 PSI, I know I would have been gone. This one was also a CC, with 22s on. 22s do slow down a truck. Especially with that inefficient 4 spd, it's not hard to get a good jump on them. I do it to my brothers charged truck.

Originally Posted by shailey

Sweet!

Thanks man.

[Penguin]

These trucks aren't getting any younger and what the owners have done to them can make them perform better or worse (in this case). You're talking about a potentially abused, higher mileage vehicle. If there is significant amounts of oil in the intercooler, intake, etc. and not enough maintenance and TLC, that truck could have been running like total crap. In that case, it's very likely that it was an abused/poorly cared for HD truck.

I'm much more familiar with Lightnings, so perhaps the HD are porky and slow in comparison. The few HD trucks I've seen run every week at Atco are far faster than any of my vehicles (one is in the 10s, the other 3 guys are deep into the 12s), but they all have totally built motors. I don't know many folks who have stock HDs. They really don't hold the same appel as the Lightnings, nor are they as valuable.

I will tell you that it doesn't matter what size pulley he was running. If the supporting modifications (MAF extender, 60lb injectors, 255lph pumps, colder plugs, tune, headers) it won't amount to much more than someone bragging about the size of their stupid pulley.

The HD guys are going to sell you bunch of swamp land anyhow. I don't even listen to 90% of what I read on SVT and Lightning forums. My experiences are based on spending way too much time at the track. Unless I've seen someone run, I don't trust what they tell me.

If you had fun, then that's all that matters. Just don't think that all HD trucks are slow because you ran one and won. Be aware that there are some extremely fast ones around.

[The_Homewrecker]

Originally Posted by Penguin

These trucks aren't getting any younger and what the owners have done to them can make them perform better or worse (in this case). You're talking about a potentially abused, higher mileage vehicle. If there is significant amounts of oil in the intercooler, intake, etc. and not enough maintenance and TLC, that truck could have been running like total crap. In that case, it's very likely that it was an abused/poorly cared for HD truck.

I'm much more familiar with Lightnings, so perhaps the HD are porky and slow in comparison. The few HD trucks I've seen run every week at Atco are far faster than any of my vehicles (one is in the 10s, the other 3 guys are deep into the 12s), but they all have totally built motors. I don't know many folks who have stock HDs. They really don't hold the same appel as the Lightnings, nor are they as valuable.

I will tell you that it doesn't matter what size pulley he was running. If the supporting modifications (MAF extender, 60lb injectors, 255lph pumps, colder plugs, tune, headers) it won't amount to much more than someone bragging about the size of their stupid pulley.

The HD guys are going to sell you bunch of swamp land anyhow. I don't even listen to 90% of what I read on SVT and Lightning forums. My experiences are based on spending way too much time at the track. Unless I've seen someone run, I don't trust what they tell me.

If you had fun, then that's all that matters. Just don't think that all HD trucks are slow because you ran one and won. Be aware that there are some extremely fast ones around.

I don't know why you typed this all out because obviously I know. LOL

The L's are different from the HDs. Even when adding the pulley it doesn't add the same amount of boost as a L. Yes, they are slower because they ARE heavier. Just because he had an upgraded pulley doesn't mean he had all those mods. People are dumb, and go down to a shop and get talked into buying this just because of what he said. It's totally different with a built motor. It takes about 14 PSI on a stock motor, with supporting mods to get that HD in the low 13s, and that's walking the line.

Take it for what it's worth, but what do i know. I guess next race I have I will have to record to prove it.

[Penguin]

Nobody said you didn't beat this guy. I guess I'm just a little disappointed in the HD trucks... I guess I know know why the folks I've been around ditched their stock stuff a long time ago for fully built motors.

At any given track event, the ratio of HD trucks to the Lightnings is far heavy on the Ls.

I will say this. If I had purchased a HD edition F150 and took it to the track and ran anything slower than a very deep 14 stock, I'd be kicking it to the curb the next day for something faster. Ford didn't sell those for cheap, but the target demographic where smelly Harley guys that really wouldn't know the difference between quality and quantity. As long is it has their redneck logo on it, they're pretty happy with themselves.

Elisa just told me that the stock setup is a different blower pulley, with less power. So, I stand corrected! I had assumed they were essentially Lightnings with more room for the chubby HD chicks (with their cottage cheese hanging out of their nasty cheap leather vests). LOL

[ThirdHorseman]

Originally Posted by The_Homewrecker

The L's are different from the HDs. Even when adding the pulley it doesn't add the same amount of boost as a L.

They are not that different...the HD gets a different sized blower pulley to reduce rotational speed. It's the same exact Eaton unit. Obviously the size of the blower pulley will affect the effect of a crank pulley upgrade...why are you typing this because I obviously already know Just yanking your chain...

Personally, I could care less who beats what on what road/track/tarpit. Every race is different, and every vehicle is different. Bench racing is definitely not my bag as I don't like variables and everything else involved. If you like to run your truck 100+ mph on the street, good luck to you...

[KingoftheRoad]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Ford didn't sell those for cheap, but the target demographic where smelly Harley guys that really wouldn't know the difference between quality and quantity. As long is it has their redneck logo on it, they're pretty happy with themselves.

Many people don't buy a truck for speed or to race. Lots of people buy trucks for work, a toy hauler, the family stationwagon, or just a daily driver cause they like a big heavy, safe vehicle.

[pinoytitan]

did the truck look like this?

Nissan Titan vs. Ford Harley Edition- Video

[The_Homewrecker]

Originally Posted by pinoytitan

did the truck look like this?

Nissan Titan vs. Ford Harley Edition- Video

Yup, just a different color. lol